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  • Sorry but I am afraid you are ALL wrong. ALL carriers from the Philippines are banned from Europe but it has NOTHING to do with the airlines, it is to do with the security of the airports in the Philippines and unfortunately mainly the main gateway in Manila NAIA. Steve over 1 year ago

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    yep its true. the Philippines' flag carrier, Philippine Airlines is banned from travelling to Europe, over the safely standards of the airline. Nevertheless, the country is relatively safe to travel to, and the usual travel-safe rules apply, e.g. don't get to friendly with the locals, avoid dark streets, etc.

    Despite the airline blacklist, you can still go to the Philippines by flying with other international airlines, and arrive either on Metro Manila or on Cebu City.

    I suggest you go and visit the provinces instead of going to Metro Manila, and since its the month of October, Bacolod City, is having its Masskara Festival next week. almost 4 years ago

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    Technically Philippines Airlines are banned from operating in Europe, but that's because the Europeans don't accredit any airline which doesn't fly to its destinations - and PAL stopped flying to Europe in 1998 because of difficulties arising from the Asian Financial Crisis of 1997. It was in receivership until 2007. It's still in financial difficulty - in July 2010 25 pilots resigned without warning and joined other airlines. The airline also has problems with other staff relations.
    However it is accredited with the IOSA (IATA Operational Safety Audit) and has been awarded a 3-star rating by the independent research consultancy firm Skytrax.

    I'm not an aircraft engineer or crash investigator, but I can tell you about the last few incidents the airline had, so you can make up your own mind.
    Oct 2007 an A320 with 154 people on board (POB) over-ran the single runway at Bhutan (one of the most difficult strips in the world) - no deaths, 19 people injured.
    Dec 2002 an A330 with 115 POB got a bit low on approach to Guam and struck a transmission tower. It went back to Manilla and landed safely. no injuries.
    May 2000 an A330 domestic flight with 298 POB was robbed mid-air. Yes, I said "robbed".The 1 fatality was the thief who tried to escape by jumping out the door with a parachute.
    You have to go back to march 1998 for the last fatal accident attributable to the airline. An A320 domestic flight with 130 POB tried to land with a faulty thrust reverser. As a consequence the pilot tried to land with one engine in reverse and the other one at full forward! The plane ran off the end of the runway, through a field, a wall and some shanties. No one on the aircraft died, but sadly 3 people on the ground were killed.

    Not the greatest airline in the world, but they have 1.7 million flights a year. (Can you tell I'm a bit of a plane spotter?)
    Your chances of being in a crash are very, very low. almost 4 years ago

    Answered by Ask Phil via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
    • sorry that should've read "1.7 million PASSENGERS a year".... I was distracted by the mid-air thief and his parachute escape attempt. Ask Phil almost 4 years ago
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    Thanks for the research Phil! That's a lot more enlightening than the simple "ban list" I found. almost 4 years ago

    Answered by Gavin via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    Well I don't know exactly why Europe banned PAL (Philippine Airlines) but on the matter of safety I think PAL isn't really bad for a flag carrier. PAL never had such major plane crash in its 70 or so year of flying. sure, there were crashes especially in the early years of operation but when it entered the jet age it only had minor incidents and most incidents that would have been fatal were averted like the one that happened on a PAL flight to Japan the flight came from Manila with stopover at Cebu then to Tokyo when a bomb was planted on board the aircraft. The bomb exploded whilst the aircraft is already in midair approaching Japan, of the 100 plus passengers on board the 747 one was killed (the person who sat where the bomb was placed). The flight crew immediately lost almost all control of the aircraft but they were still able to land. almost 3 years ago

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    Maybe it the Filipino's nature to please it's passengers at all costs. I will give you an example.

    I was sitting on a Zest Air plane from Manila to Tacloban. I was sitting on an EXIT seats row. The guy next to me (right beside the exit door) sat down and put his rather large hand luggage in front of his feet. At first I said nothing, and waited for the Stewardess to ask him to put overhead. When this was not forthcoming I politely informed him that large bags are not allowed on this row. He grumbled that it was none of my business and turned away. Just before the plane began taxiing, I called a stewardess and asked her to get him to remove the bag. She did so; but made me feel guilty for informing on him.

    They then went on with the safety instructions on how to open the fire exit door. He refused to take up the card and/or pay attention. I myself know how to do this with my eyes closed but I still took the card and payed attention. I asked him did he know how to open the door; and said somthing like it was the stewardess's job in emergency.

    I informed the stewardess that I was not happy with this guy's attitude to safety. She asked me did I want to move, which I declines stating maybe somebody competent needs to stay here in case of emergency.

    In restaurants etc here in the Philippines waiters have to put up with a lot from customers because they are usually of a higher standing regarding wealth. They are oftentimes treated like dirt, but the staff will still do everything to please them.

    The people who fly on planes here are usually from the 'SOCIAL' class or those with relatively good jobs.

    Stewards/Stewardess's should be very accommadating to their customers, but not if it means compromising SAFETY.

    PAL & CPA are banned in Europe because they failed several European Safety checks. It is nothing got to do with whether they fly there now or not .....

    Are they safe: IMO all the airlines in The Philippines are reasonably safe. Most of the planes are either new or near new. I suppose that does not matter if they are not maintained to the highest standard. over 2 years ago

    Answered by Patrick via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    All you have to do is look at how a country enforces its own internal aviation safety to see how it really is. There is no oversight in Philippine Civil Aviation that isn't tied to money for a "relaxing" of International Standards that jeopardize the public at large for the enrichment of a very few. Abysmal and shameful. over 2 years ago

    Answered by Jim in Angeles via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    EUROPE ONLY BANNED PAL BECAUSE PHILIPPINES USES SECOND HAND PLANES. BUT THEY PRETTY MUCH FIX/RESTORE/REFURBISH THE PLANES COMPLETELY. The pilots of PAL are known to be not only reliable but VERY VERY GOOD. They exercise great judgement to keep PASSENGERS SAFE. While the airline does not have all the bells and whistles, and isn't known for the greatest accommodations, bottom line is that SAFETY is the first priority. I you ask me, I'd rather fly safely that fly fancy. about 2 years ago

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    European Union band PAL into European countries because PHIL Gov failed to pay their arrears in paying the German built Terminal II about 2 years ago

    Answered by Al via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    Why can't the European union allow airlines like Philippine airlines... It's like they only allow rich countries that have rich airlines from around the world and the don't allow poor countries carriers from Africa, Philippines and others... about 2 years ago

    Answered by The Philippines via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    It doesnt matter whether your country is rich or not (Despite being a progressive country, South Koreas flag carrier is the fifth unsafest). It is how you manage those planes and implement aviation safety measures. Remember there are only two major suppliers of civilian aircraft: Airbus & Boeing. Most airline operators buy from these two competing companies. The difference lies on how these airline operators manage their toys and exercise safety.

    Most humans are hard-wired for self-preservation. EU does the same. You wouldnt hire someone to care for your children who has a bad track record (like a history of child abuse/neglect or if she cant even care for her own children). Philippine Airlines was banned because it had a bad track record. Plain & Simple. That isnt so hard to understand.

    The safest and the unsafest list:
    http://www.mopo.de/news/sicherheitsbilanz-2010-die-gefaehrlichsten-fluglinien-der-welt,5066732,6701710.html about 2 years ago

    Answered by Dreamer via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    Pls try to research first before you guys make any comment because some of you looks so stupid by saying things that are totally out of context why "Philippine airlines " is black listed by EU or downgraded to category 2 by FAA means .... Is it PAL or CPA was not allowed to fly in EU airspace bec of their deficiencies reg there safety as Philippine carrier per se .. Or CAAP is to blame why PAL and other philippine airlines are banned to fly over EU airspace. Read first and do research before you say or write something that you feel like u know what ur saying but end up looking like more of you guys don't even have any idea at all about the topic ..just a reminder over 1 year ago

    Answered by Guy7253 via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    Pls try to research first before you guys make any comment because some of you looks so stupid by saying things that are totally out of context why "Philippine airlines " is black listed or downgraded to category 2 by FAA means .... Is it PAL or CPA was not allowed to fly in EU airspace bec of their deficiencies reg there safety as Philippine carrier per se .. Or CAAP is to blame why PAL and other philippine airlines are banned to fly over EU airspace. Read first and do research before you say or right something that you feel like u know what ur saying but end up looking like more of u don't even have any idea at all about the topic over 1 year ago

    Answered by Guy7253 via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    You will all be pleased to hear that Philippines Airlines has been removed from Europe's banned list, and is free to begin flights to Europe.
    Details here:
    http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/air/safety/air-ban/index_en.htm
    and a news report here: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/07/11/964083/phl-out-eu-air-blacklist
    Phil at the safety hub about 1 year ago

    Answered by Ask Phil via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    If it's time for you to join your creator; wherever you are and whatever you do, it will happen. 5 months ago

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    Caught a Philippine Airline fight from Manila to Dubai recently. mmmmmm interesting, now lest see:

    1. No business class. PAL management no believe Filipino's entitled to business class
    2. The aircraft was an A330, yet the safety briefing card was for a Dash8-400 aircraft. For those not in the know, The A330 has jet engines and the Dash 8 has propellors.
    3. Screaming kid for 7 hours of the 9 hour journey and the Cabin Crew did nothing to help the parents in making the child quiet. In fact after take-off, except for meal time, I never saw the cabin crew.
    4. My cell phone was stolen in the Gate Waiting Lounge and instead of helping me to find the cell phone, they shuffled me on the aircraft and said so sorry.

    Is this a safe airline - HELL NO.

    Never Again 6 days ago

    Answered by Scenicplayer via Site_iconWorldNomads.com
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    I've flown in/out of Manila a few times on PAL flights and I'd have to say I never felt as though it is an unsafe airline. They are a lot cheaper to fly that the likes of Sinapore Air, QANTAS, etc., but hey, you get what you pay for.
    I can only dream of having a bitch about no business class.
    Obviously, if there was a demand for business class seats on their flights, the planes would be configured to have them. As they don't, there are more economy seats.
    More seats means cheaper seats.
    I did have a bitch about the flight back to Singapore which took off late and hadn't been cleaned prior to takeoff though. By not cleaned, I am including toilets.
    PAL - you get what you pay for, but at least they're safe(ish) 3 days ago

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